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Dr. Kate Sievers — Assistant Superintendent of Curriculum and Instruction, Technology, and Grants at Jersey Community Unit School District 100

Dr. Kate Sievers — Assistant Superintendent of Curriculum and Instruction, Technology, and Grants at Jersey Community Unit School District 100
About Dr. Kate Sievers

Dr. Kate Sievers is the Assistant Superintendent of Curriculum and Instruction, Technology, and Grants at Jersey Community Unit School District 100. With 17 years of experience in administration and 12 years as a middle and high school teacher, she has dedicated her career to improving education and supporting students, educators, and families.

Dr. Sievers is passionate about building strong relationships within schools because she believes connections between people are essential for a positive learning environment. In today’s world, where social media and societal pressures can create division, she strives to bring people together instead of pushing them apart. She works to create a school culture that values respect, collaboration, and innovation, ensuring that every student and teacher feels supported and empowered to succeed.

Kate takes the time to listen to teachers and administrators, valuing their input as she makes decisions that always prioritize the needs of students. She is deeply passionate about curriculum and goes above and beyond to find high-quality resources at all levels that enhance learning and help students achieve and show progress. Additionally, she actively writes grants to secure funding that benefits students, ensuring they receive extra support and enrichment opportunities.

Understanding the importance of social-emotional learning (SEL), Kate ensures that all employees have the SEL resources they need while also ensuring students have the necessary support. Through her leadership, she continues to improve education by integrating technology, enhancing curriculum, and securing vital resources. Her commitment to education is driven by a desire to make schools places where everyone feels valued, supported, and inspired to learn and grow.

Connect with Dr. Kate Sievers: Email | Linkedin

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Resources Mentioned

Jersey Community Unit School District 100

The Transcript

**Please note that all of our transcriptions come from rev.com and are 80% accurate. We’re grateful for the robots that make this possible and realize that it’s not a perfect process.

Sam Demma
Welcome back to another episode of the High Performing Educator podcast. This is your host, Sam Demma. And today we are joined by Dr. Kate Sievers.

Dr. Kate Sievers
Good morning.

Sam Demma
How are you?

Dr. Kate Sievers
I’m well, I’m well.

Sam Demma
Dr. Kate brings 29 years of educational expertise to her role as administrative superintendent of curriculum and instruction, technology and grants at the Jersey Community Unit School District 100. Combining 17 years of administration with 12 years of classroom teaching experience, she champions relationship building as the foundation for effective learning environments. Her leadership philosophy centers on bringing people together in an

Sam Demma
increasingly divided world, actively listening to stakeholders while prioritizing student needs through curriculum development, grant writing, and comprehensive social emotional support systems for both students and staff. Dr. Kate, thank you so much for coming on the show here this morning.

Dr. Kate Sievers
You’re welcome. I’m glad to be here. Glad to join this morning.

Sam Demma
How did you get involved in, in education?

Dr. Kate Sievers
For me, Sam, it was, um, through coaching. I, my husband and I coached, uh, some elementary basketball teams for a while. And, um, as we grew, we went from elementary to high school and found that our time with the kids, and we didn’t have kids at the time, we were just newly married,

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and found that we really enjoyed being with the kids and the families. And so through that love, I got to know the superintendent through the school district that we’re recoached. And I was in the banking industry at the time

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and my job was getting located an hour away from our home. And so through that, I’m like, okay, maybe this is a change for me that maybe something else in my life needs to be happening. And so the superintendent approached me and said, hey, would you be interested in doing a long-term sub

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for us if that becomes available? And so knowing that my job was changing and I was gonna be unemployed for a little bit and I said, yeah, possibly. So I did that long-term sub and I fell off and I said, yeah, possibly. So I did that long term sub and I fell off and I’ve never looked back. And so since then, 19, that was in 1994, I went back to school

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and got my elementary and high school, high school, but it’s two different, way different elementary technology and high school business and taught high school business a little bit. And then I ended up with a K-8 computer position. And that’s when we didn’t even have internet then. And so that was a computer, which you don’t even know. So it was fun. So that’s kind of how I rolled into education. And it’s just been a great, great journey for me.

Sam Demma
Tell me more about coaching basketball. Where did that originate or where did that passion start from?

Dr. Kate Sievers
My husband and I both have been coaches for a long time. He’s been a softball coach for a long time. And when the basketball, I, my love of basketball, we both played basketball in high school. And basketball is kind of my go-to sport. A lot of people have a go-to something. Basketball is my go-to sport.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And loved it in elementary high school. We had some pretty good girls teams at the time that I was on. And just loved being part of the team, part of the culture. And not just for me, but that’s where I’ve learned, you know, I got to know still best friends today. And some great people that mentors and coaches who help make me who I am. And so knowing that that’s, you have such an impact

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on a person through that coaching style and what you do as a coach really kind of brought me to that wanting to be a coach and wanting to be a mentor for the students and kids. And so that’s kind of where we both went, he and I. And so since then we coached high school basketball girls for, I want to say eight years, and then stopped to have our family.

Dr. Kate Sievers
We had already had one child and had another one on the way, and it was really becoming difficult. It’s just hard to manage a young family and do all of the running. And so we put a halt on that.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And then he came back years later as a softball coach, just within the last 10 years. And I’ve coached some state level softball teams in our area. So it’s been fun.

Sam Demma
I noticed when you joined the interview today on Zoom, right beside your name said mentor in brackets. Are you still mentoring people in different capacities to this day? And if so, what does that look like for you?

Dr. Kate Sievers
I am. So through the Illinois Principal Association, I am a principal mentor. The expertise, I’ve been a high school principal, I’ve been an assistant principal, I’ve been a superintendent of a smaller school district, and I’m in a larger school district now. And I felt that that expertise, being a new principal, there’s a lot of things that you don’t know, you don’t know.

Dr. Kate Sievers
You just don’t know what you don’t know. And so a friend of mine was being, she was a mentor and I believe still is a mentor. And she’s like, hey, I think you’d be great in this position, you know, this is what we do. And so through her, I was able to become a mentor

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through the Illinois Principal Association and have done that. This is my second year and it has been very fulfilling for me. So I hope the people that I’m mentoring are getting just as much out of it as I am,

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because again, it is just a way to give back and help those just starting out, just fresh out of the gate. And you don’t, you know, education’s hard and I feel it is becoming harder and harder each year to be an educator. Society just doesn’t have the respect for education that it had before, which makes me sad. And so trying to get some of that respect back and at the same time keeping some really good people in some positions of where they can really impact kids and staff.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And you want to keep those really good people in those positions to bring that and get that respect back to education again.

Sam Demma
When you think of all the questions from principals that you mentor through the Illinois Principal Association, are there any that come up so often among different principals that a principal listening to this might be struggling with themselves? And if so, what are those questions and what are some of the things you typically would share?

Dr. Kate Sievers
I’ve only been a mentor the last two years and what’s happened in education as teacher turnover is high right now. And when I was hired in as a teacher 29 years ago, you had, and I’m not exaggerating, you had in a smaller school district, we had at least 30 applicants for a position. And now we’re lucky to get two really highly qualified

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applicants for a position in our area, region. And that’s different, you know, regionally it’s different, you know, urban versus rural and we’re considered rural. And so the questions I get mainly recently has been, how do I keep my teachers? How do we keep them to want to stay here, to be at our school? Because sometimes if you’re in a rural area, the urban areas pay a little bit more

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and have a little bit more benefits and whatnot to offer. And so how do we keep them there? And I’m gonna go back to what I tell everybody, relationships, everything goes back to, all roads leads back to relationships, whether it’s personal, professional, wherever. If they feel valued and are respected where they

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work and want to go there every day, they’re going to think twice about maybe going to another school district or changing professions because I’ve had some teachers who have left. Unfortunately, went to larger corporations because they can work from home, you know, and that society has changed that and what that looks like from many years ago. And so being able to retain our teachers and keep them there because once you get a teacher in the door, you know, you can train them, you know, and it takes a lot with the training and to get them to show the different

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curriculums and the platforms that we use. So you want to keep those teachers. And at the same time, though, you want to grow them as professionals. And so if you’re valuing them and you’re respecting them and you’re developing those appropriate relationships with them professionally and helping them grow, why would they wanna leave? So that’s what I have heard over and over and over again.

Dr. Kate Sievers
So we’re hoping to combat that through this relationship building and we’re trying really hard, our best, especially here at Jersey 100 to do that.

Sam Demma
When I visited the school, I felt like the staff were so engaged and involved and welcoming. I had multiple conversations with teachers as well. So whatever the work that you are all doing, I think it’s definitely having an impact

Sam Demma
on how guests feel received in the school building. So keep it up.

Dr. Kate Sievers
That’s awesome. That’s awesome. And it’s just not me. I mean, you have to have a team of people willing to… One person can’t do it. And so, you know, people to build that team of people to say, Hey, we’re committed to, you know, we want the best of the best here at Jersey 100. So what does that look like? How do we do that? And I have a really good team to work with. So I love coming to school and I love working with them. So hopefully that can continue for a while.

Sam Demma
It sounds like you really enjoy serving and supporting along with a team of people. It sounds like that was a similarity when you were coaching in basketball and teaching and now mentoring. Do you think there are some similarities between coaching

Sam Demma
young people and teaching young people? And if so, what are some of those things?

Dr. Kate Sievers
I do. And sometimes coaching and mentoring are one in the same. I don’t know that you can use them to replace one another, but when you’re talking about young kids and you’re talking about young teachers, everybody wants boundaries, okay? And I feel sometimes our society has just kind of left

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boundaries off to the wayside. And when I mean boundaries, I’m not talking strict boundaries, but that’s where you earn that respect. And this is what I need you to do as a player. And this is what I need you to do as a teacher.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And as long as they have that relationship with you and they want to perform for you, whether you’re a coach or whether you’re a principal, it comes down to those relationships over and over and over. And I feel that if they continue to want to perform for you whatever position they’re in, whether they’re a coach, whether a player, whether a teacher,

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you’re gonna get the best of what you can out of that person. And that’s what you want. That’s what they want. They want to do their best. Nobody wants to do poorly.

Dr. Kate Sievers
They want to do their best. And so trying to pull that best out of them and what that looks like and them seeing the fruition once they do that and show their best and do their best and what that looks like for them, that’s awesome to see that light pop on when that does happen. And the great feeling that they get because you just relish in them feeling good about themselves and what they’ve done.

Sam Demma
And whether it’s mentoring, coaching, or any age, you mentioned that it really all comes back to relationships. When you think about building relationships, let’s say it’s a classroom teacher listening to this conversation and they want to build a better relationship with their students. What do you think are some of the things they could do to build a better relationship with their own students?

Dr. Kate Sievers
I think they just have to get to know them. And I’m going to use you and your friend. You knew your friend like tacos, right? You knew what to cheer them up and he and his wife or partner. And so I feel that if I’m a teacher and I really want to make the most impact and get to know my kids on a relationship level, I really just need to get to know them. I need to know

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anything and everything about them that they’re willing to share. And again, on that professional level and those kids that come in with, a lot of our kids are walking in the door with some trauma, Sam, and I know you know that. And how can we help them make their time at school the best possible for them to be there

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and to really help and grow them as an individual, not just as a student, I’m talking about as a rounded individual. And then walk out the door with a smile on their face and trying to help them the best we can. But you’re not going to get that unless you really understand who that kid is. Whether you’ve got 10 kids in your class or you’ve got 30 kids in your class.

Dr. Kate Sievers
Does it take time? Does it take effort? Absolutely, it does. And a lot of intentionality. And so through that, I feel that teachers are going to have, they’re going to be able to get as much as they can out of that student and really help that student grow. Again, not just academically, but you know, all in all aspects of their life. Because if you’re making them feel and you’re building them up, not just academically, but in other aspects of their life, they’re going to want to do well and continue to do well, especially when they’re at school or when they’re with you. And so as much as that impact, that relationship impact,

Dr. Kate Sievers
I just don’t know that we could ever put a number on it. I don’t think we can ever put. And I know people have, they’ve done studies on this way, more smart people than me, but it’s just really hard to see unless you’re in that classroom,

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how much time and effort it really takes to get to know a child.

Sam Demma
I think about the educators, coaches, caring adults in my life who’ve made a significant impact. And it’s what you’re saying. It’s really the people who got to know me so well on a personal and professional, well more so a professional level, but with some personal details about who I was and what I cared about. And I had a teacher who would teach a lesson and knew the students

Sam Demma
in the class so well that after he finished the lesson, he would point to a couple of us and say, Hey Sam, because you’re passionate about sports, this lesson for you means this. And Olivia, I know you love movies. So for you, the context of this lesson is this. And it was like light bulbs are just going off in kids heads all day long. Um, as a result of that extra step, you know?

Dr. Kate Sievers
Absolutely. Yeah, yeah. And so for any young teachers coming in, wanting to know how to do that, I think there’s just some great books out there. And I’m not gonna say any or do any plugs off of this at this point in time,

Dr. Kate Sievers
but there are a lot of resources out there for you to really understand kids and trauma and what they’re bringing to your classroom. And I feel as a new teacher and coming into just a different time in our lives, understanding those resources and if kids come up

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with a certain trauma, what kind of resources you can help them with and it doesn’t have you know it’s a private conversation between you that you know that student and hey I know this is going on in your life and I can maybe help you with these resources or and just they might make might not take advantage of it but just knowing that you cared enough to help them or offer some help to them goes a long way too.

Dr. Kate Sievers
I feel sometimes we just get too busy and with our, you know, trying to get everything done in our classrooms and whatnot, and we leave that relationship on the side. And I feel that that is just not the best thing for kids.

Sam Demma
You mentioned not giving any plugs, though I will ask, are there any resources or people or things that have been foundational in how you think about education and building relationships? There, I will just say, through our regional office here, in Illinois, we have regional

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offices that provide professional development. And you know, it’s speakers like yourself, I’m going to say you’re like yourself, Sam, who come and we’ve listened to and we’ve heard stories and they bring so many ideas to us to say, okay, this is what happened to me, this is my personal story and this is how they helped me. And as educators, we hear that and we’re like, oh, and the light bulb goes on, I can maybe do that for somebody. I feel when we have, when we listen to others and their stories, your personal stories, because a lot of it,

Dr. Kate Sievers
I’m being very honest with you, Sam, are through personal stories. When they share those with us, and they give us real life examples of how somebody helped them or how they were able to get out of a trauma traumatic situation and move on to get through, push through that. That only helps us as educators to give us more tools in our toolbox to say, okay, so this helped Sam Demmer, this helped this, this one. And, and we can say, you know, Henry or whoever, um, this is, this is something that I think would help you, you know, in, in taking those again, having more tools in our toolbox to be able to help those kids

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that, um, that do walk in with a little bit of luggage in their backpack. So to say,

Sam Demma
Yeah, I love it. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to speak about your own journey into education, some of the connections to coaching and mentorship, your role with the Illinois Principal Association, talking about some of the challenges with teacher turnover and how the district is trying to address those and the importance of relationships.

Sam Demma
I’m curious, what are you most excited about in education right now as we wrap up the conversation?

Dr. Kate Sievers
With me in education, education just looks a little bit different than what, and I’ll say looking in, you think education looks the same as what it did 50 years ago, 100 years ago. I feel when you walk in our doors, even though we’re still segmented in classrooms, our learning is happening in a way more different structure, at least here at Jersey 100.

Dr. Kate Sievers
You know, we have more hands-on, more STEM classes, more. And I feel that I had a younger brother who loved to work with his hands and mess with motors and do all kinds of, if it was outside, he was outside and didn’t like the workbook, the textbook and all the you know, the regular. And I look at all

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of the STEM and the maker spaces and the automotive and the, and the woodworking and the construction that we’re able to offer. And for him, he would have just flourished in that type of environment. And so I feel schools are getting more and more like that. Of course, we have to have our academics, our math,

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and our reading, but we’re able then to interweave some of these other types of learning into our educational arena to where these kids come in excited. And I’m looking at some of our high school kids right now who are, I’m going to say,

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my trade kids who are going to be your welders and your automotive people and some of your engineers, but they are, they are just flourishing in our, I’ll call it our career technical education wing. And without that, I feel that they, like my younger brother, were like, just like school was hard, I didn that they, like my younger brother,

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would like, just like school was hard. I didn’t want to go to school. You know, that’s not something that they enjoyed at all, or he enjoyed at all. And I see these kids coming into school, not missing school and wanting to really, really do well.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And so I feel that in education now, especially here at Jersey 100, we’re able to really reach those kids and to get those kids a more foundation. So when they walk out in high school, they know what they want to do by the time they graduate.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And so for me here at Jersey 100, I’m like super pumped about that because I will say 98% of my kids, and we’re striving for 100% of our kids, walk out the door at high school knowing what they’re gonna do.

Dr. Kate Sievers
And so, and before five or six years ago, that wasn’t the case.

Sam Demma
That’s amazing testimony to the work that everyone’s doing in the system. It’s so great to hear about it. I look forward to continuing to stay in touch and follow the journey. And thank you again, Dr. Kate,

Sam Demma
for taking the time to come on the show here today. It’s been a real pleasure having a conversation with you.

Dr. Kate Sievers
You’re welcome, Sam. Thanks for having me.

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Stephen Hoyland – Assistant Superintendent Education Services at Battle River School Division

Stephen Hoyland – Assistant Superintendent Education Services at Battle River School Division
About Stephen Hoyland

Stephen Hoyland is the Assistant Superintendent -Education Services at Battle River School Division in Camrose, Alberta. Over his career, Stephen has taught Grades 4 to 12 ranging in subjects from Art, English, Social Studies and French.
Stephen was a school administrator for thirteen years. He took on the role of Director of Human Resources for three years and now is in his second year as Assistant Superintent – Education Services.

Throughout his career, Stephen has worked closely with students to promote their voice and ideas through student councils. Stephen believes that teachers succeed by listening to and learning from their students, as their voices shape meaningful impact in our schools. In order to make a difference in the lives of students and teachers, Stephen strives to be relationship focused, collaborative, energetic and hopeful.

Connect with Stephen Hoyland: Email | Instagram

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The Transcript

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Sam Demma
Welcome back to another episode of the High Performing Educator Podcast. This is your host, Sam Demma. Today we are joined by my friend, Stephen Hoyland. Stephen is the Assistant Superintendent of Educational Services with the Battle River School Division. Stephen, thank you so much for coming on the show here today.

Stephen Hoyland
Oh, Sam, I’m so excited. Thanks for having me. It means a lot just to spend some time with you today.

Sam Demma
I’m so excited to chat with you. Did you know when you were a student yourself that one day you’d be working supporting staff and students?

Stephen Hoyland
You know, for when I was a kid, no. When I actually did become a teacher, a lot of my friends that I went to high school with, they couldn’t believe that I was the guy that actually became the teacher from the class. I knew, Sam, like I had some great teachers and that made some impact in me when I was young.

Stephen Hoyland
I remember I was in grade six and I was struggling with my spelling, and the teacher sent me to a remedial room, and I just remember how that felt—like I was being pulled out. The teacher in there, after about a week, he came up to me, and this wouldn’t be said now in a class, but he said, “Stephen, are you stupid?” And I—it was a shock. And I said, “Pardon?” He goes, “Like, honestly, are you stupid?” And I said, “No.” And he goes, “Exactly. Don’t ever, ever forget that. And I never want to see you back here.”

Stephen Hoyland
For me, that was one of those moments where I went, okay. I wasn’t expecting a teacher to say that. Like I said, a teacher would never say that now, but for me, it was pivotal. I saw somebody that believed that I could actually do what I needed to do. That was one of those moments where I went, okay, I can build on this, and I can have faith in myself. And yeah, in grade six, I really started to realize, hey, I can do this.

Stephen Hoyland
I had some teachers along the lines that really challenged me in high school and made me realize my potential. And so what I did, Sam, is I love challenges. When I finished high school, I came from a small town in Alberta where nobody spoke French, and I wanted to be bilingual. I just—I wanted to be bilingual.

Stephen Hoyland
I wanted to be able to be that Canadian that could speak French and English. So I enrolled in what was called the Faculty Saint-Jean through the University of Alberta. I took my degree there, and I did not know hardly any French. I was just someone that was supported by a lot of different people, whether they were from Quebec or Francois-Breton. They really helped me and made me realize that, okay, if I have a challenge, if I have a dream, there are going to be people there that can help me. And yeah, I became bilingual, and that really opened up many doors for me in my career.

Sam Demma
You said you love challenges. Was it always like that for you, or where did that come from?

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, it has always been—I love challenges. Coming from a small town, knowing that post-secondary was the key to opening a lot of doors, I just knew that if I wanted to do something that was going to be enriching and bring me happiness, I needed to set goals. Setting the goal to become bilingual, even though I hardly knew any French—I took three years of French in high school—and deciding, okay, I want to become bilingual, immerse myself, go to Quebec, take university there, and travel the world. That mindset of creating new goals was huge for me.

Stephen Hoyland
When I became a teacher, I started thinking outside of the box. I began teaching new courses, courses I had absolutely no reference to, and learned from that. I just kept on pushing myself to do what I needed to do. Eventually, Sam, it came to going to different schools and being identified as, “Hey, are you interested in administration? We think you’d be a great fit.” I threw myself out there. One thing I said when I was young in my career was, “I love being a teacher. I don’t want to be an administrator.” Then I became an assistant principal—I loved it. After a while, I decided, “Okay, I’m going to become a principal.” During that time, I also pursued my master’s, which I said I never wanted to go back to university for. But I learned from that and kept setting those goals. That was important.

Sam Demma
How important do you think it is for young people to set goals? It sounds like it had a big impact on you.

Stephen Hoyland
You know, when you’re young—I mean middle school—you’re really enjoying your friends, your peer groups, and at that point, the goals aren’t at the forefront. But I really do believe that if you have a bit of an idea of what’s going to make you happy, what’s going to give you contentment in life, then focus on a goal at that age. Once you get into high school, I think this can be difficult for young people too. Often, family or neighbors are asking, “What are you going to do when you’re done school? What do you want to do?” That puts a lot of pressure on kids.

Stephen Hoyland
I think if kids have a bit of an idea of what they might like to do, that makes a big difference. Starting with a small goal, and then life experiences can really build upon that and direct you into something that’s going to bring you happiness.

Sam Demma
You’ve offered an insight into your own story of the goal you set. Typically, when we think about goals, we think about students’ career-path-related goals. But your goal was to learn French. You didn’t say, “I want to be a French teacher,” or “I want to teach a language in the future.” You said, “There’s a skill out there that I’m curious about, and I want to improve at it and learn.” And it opened doors for you. I think if we can encourage more young people to set goals related to their curiosities or just building skills, the building of a skill will open doors or pathways in the future.

Sam Demma
Most of the time, when you become proficient or good at something, you can add value—and we need people that can add value. And I still suck at French. So if I met your grade six teacher, he would probably be like, “Sam, are you stupid?”

Stephen Hoyland
Oh, and you know, yeah, and it’s—you’ve nailed it. It’s just about finding those things, those skill sets, that bring you that fulfillment and, at the same time, challenge you. Run with it and grow as a person.

Sam Demma
There’s a book that I was recently recommended by my godfather. I played golf with him and my dad recently, and he manages lots of people in his role. So I was asking him about leadership and managing others, and he told me to check out this book called Principles by Ray Dalio. He said it was foundational in the way he leads his teams.

Sam Demma
I was reading the book, and one of the statements stuck out to me. It said, “The success doesn’t come from achieving the goal; it comes from struggling well in the pursuit of the goal.” And I thought, you know, there are so many times in my life where I’ve reached the outcome that I thought was going to make me feel good. And when I hit the thing or achieve the quote-unquote goal, I actually felt kind of lost—like, because now I’m not struggling towards anything anymore.

Sam Demma
In your own journey, do you have any other goals? What are things that are causing you to struggle these days? What’s pulling Stephen forward?

Stephen Hoyland
Oh, that’s such a great question. In my role right now, Sam, I’m responsible for the learning that takes place in our school division. Over the last year, I’ve learned a lot about math and numeracy. As I said, I learned French and then became a humanities teacher. Now, in my new role, I am learning an awful lot around math and numeracy. I had to create some goals for myself last year.

Stephen Hoyland
One of them was to become more proficient at understanding what math and numeracy are and how I can support teachers. Over the last year, I’ve really dived into data and become a lot more data-informed with my team. Now I can look at results and say, “Oh my gosh, take a look at where these results are. This is what we need to do.”

Stephen Hoyland
So for me, as a goal right now, it is to better understand how I can support students to become better math and numeracy learners in our school division—and, with that, what I need to do to support our teachers. So right now, math and numeracy are something I am totally immersed in, learning more than I’ve ever known.

Sam Demma
Wow, that’s awesome, man. I think those are skills that benefit anybody, no matter what pathway they pursue in the future as well.

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely.

Sam Demma
One of the things that stood out to me when we collaborated with some of your schools and with Rayanne, your colleague, was that all the decisions you were making were based on data. And I think it’s so important that we make decisions based on data, not our personal assumptions or opinions.

Sam Demma
In fact, I’m making all these connections because now I’m reading this book. But this gentleman, Ray, was running a hedge fund, and that was the majority of his career. The decisions they were making were based on all the data they collected on the stock markets and different companies. They would input equations that would take all the previous data of years of financial numbers and projections and say, “If we made this decision based on all the previous data, what would our outcome be?”

Sam Demma
Then people would argue about it, saying, “Well, no, we need to do this.” Their philosophy was, “We have constructive disagreements, and then we test our ideas on data. Whatever the best outcome the data shows us, we move forward with that.” I think that’s kind of how you operate and how Rayanne and your team operate. Has the data surprised you in any way, shape, or form based on student needs or things that are happening in the schools?

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, it has. There have definitely been some great surprises. Last year, we created a new survey that we shared with parents, guardians, students, teachers—basically anybody that was a stakeholder. We put it out there and had a great response. There was a lot of positive feedback around where our school division has been and what we were doing to move forward.

Stephen Hoyland
It was kind of an affirmation of the positive things that have been happening in our school division for probably the last several years. Then there was also that voice saying, “Hey, have you considered this?” That’s the point, Sam, where we’re at right now—like, okay, we’ve done some really good things, but now it’s time to look at what other things we have to try. That came out of the data as well.

Stephen Hoyland
The thing I’ve learned with it is, if you’re going to ask people’s opinions—if you’re going to say, “We need this data”—you have to do something with it. You have to let everybody know that you’re actually doing something with it. Because it’s meaningless if you just take it in and don’t share those results or the next steps. That’s the biggest takeaway for me: if you want people’s opinions, if you want their voice, you have to make sure you value it and follow through with it.

Sam Demma
We have interacted three or four times now—three, maybe two or three times on Zoom calls, and once in person. There’s been a couple of consistent things every time: we’ve always laughed in some capacity, we’ve always smiled, and we’ve always shared stories. I’m wondering—you strike me as someone who’s very optimistic and someone who looks for the positive sides of things in life, because it is a choice. Is that something you taught yourself to do? Was it passed down from your parents? In a world filled with challenges, we could choose to focus on anything. You hold this really positive energy—where does it come from?

Stephen Hoyland
You know, yeah, I definitely grew up in a home where there was lots of love. There was always support from my parents. And then I married a wonderful, wonderful high school sweetheart, I guess you could say. We’ve tried to create a family where our kids know there’s always love, and we try to be optimistic about everything.

Stephen Hoyland
One thing I try to do, Sam, every day when I walk into this building is—people ask me how I’m doing, and I’m honest, and I’m usually excellent. And I’m excellent because my drive in could have been a wonderful sunrise, I had a great coffee, I listened to some great songs—I listened to The Lumineers this morning, man, that woke me up, it was fantastic. Just finding those little nuggets in life that really bring you contentment, because life is good. There’s a lot of great things. If you can find that and be that example for other people, you can spread that optimism and that energy.

Stephen Hoyland
It’s much easier to have a smile than a frown. And you know what? Hurt is contagious too, but people need energy, people need positivity. If I can come across as authentic—which is my goal—I want people to understand that there’s a lot of good things happening in life, and I try to find that every day.

Sam Demma
I think it also models the behavior for students. Like you said, it’s contagious, and especially as an adult or a teacher. I remember some of my teachers—I’d walk into the room and hear, “Good morning, how’s everyone doing?” Some kids were still waking up, but I’d reply, “Good morning, sir, how are you?” It really wakes you up.

Sam Demma
I’ve even had experiences in my own life where I was feeling upset or frustrated, and I walked onto a bus where the driver was singing music and cracking jokes. The way other people show up and the energy they carry has an impact on how I feel. I think it’s the same in the workplace or in school buildings. When you think of people who have had a big impact on you, who comes to mind? I’m assuming your parents, it sounds like. But have you had any other mentors or role models who have really shaped the way you think about things? When you think about your own journey, who are the people whose names you can’t leave out?

Stephen Hoyland
I was really fortunate growing up in a small town, so I got to know a lot of people who made a difference in my life—neighbors who were like grandparents. But as time went by, I’ve had the privilege of working with some wonderful, wonderful teachers and other administrators—assistant principals who have given me great inspiration and affirmation around the work we were doing together.

Stephen Hoyland
For me, it’s about being part of a team and surrounding yourself with people who challenge you, inspire you, and feed you with their energy and great ideas. Right now, I’m on a team that fills my bucket every day, brings me energy, and challenges me to think and do better. So to answer your question, it’s surrounding yourself with people who lift you up and are open to great suggestions—while you’re also open to theirs—and you work collaboratively. And honestly, my kids. I have three kids, and they give me a lot of inspiration, great ideas, and they inspire me to do better.

Sam Demma
One of the things my godfather told me while golfing was this: “You have to create an environment that encourages mistakes but doesn’t tolerate not learning from them.” So when a mistake is made, it’s like, “Congratulations, let’s talk about this,” and then you have an open conversation.

Sam Demma
In your own career, are there any quote-unquote “mistakes” or learning lessons that have been instrumental for you—aside from the fact that you cheer for the wrong hockey team? Is there anything else that sticks out?

Stephen Hoyland
You know, yeah, over my career, I’ve definitely made some mistakes. I’m just trying to pinpoint something… Well, you know what? It kind of ties to mistakes and challenges. I wanted to become bilingual, so I went to the Faculté Saint-Jean. After a year, I realized, “I can’t do this. I just cannot. I don’t have what it takes.” And my dad said, “Well, you know what, son? If it’s something you can’t do, then look at other options.”

Stephen Hoyland
So what I did was I applied to another faculty that was all in English. At that time, I thought it was a great idea. I got accepted and was ready to leave the Faculté Saint-Jean. But something pivotal happened. I went to Quebec for a summer. I went to university there for three months, and during that time, I realized, “I can do this. I do have what it takes.”

Stephen Hoyland
During that summer, I was writing letters back to the university, saying, “Please, I don’t want to leave. I want to stay. This is where I want to be.” Thankfully, I was able to stay. At the time, I thought it was too much, but stepping back and reflecting helped me realize I could do it. Sometimes you need to put things in perspective and understand you’re not alone—there are people who will help you. Part of it is believing in yourself.

Stephen Hoyland
What happened, Sam, is I actually took an extra year to get my first degree. That’s because it was all in French, and I look back at that now—it was probably the best thing I ever did.

Sam Demma
Year well spent.

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, it sure was.

Sam Demma
Your role now is having such a great impact on so many—you’re supporting staff, whole school buildings, and students and their families. What is your leadership style? How do you believe you effectively lead other people?

Stephen Hoyland
You know, I really believe, Sam, that it’s about the team. I believe I need to be in contact with administrators, principals, and assistant principals. I need to be talking with teachers. For me, it’s about getting their voice and weighing their ideas with my own thoughts. I want to consider what I think is best versus what’s practical.

Stephen Hoyland
For me, my approach is transparency. To be transparent, I need to listen and collaborate with those people who are walking the walk and learning every day. Being very collaborative is the basis of how I lead.

Sam Demma
Outside of the work you do with the school board, what do you do personally to ensure your own cup is full so you’re showing up laughing, smiling, and supporting others?

Stephen Hoyland
One thing my wife and I truly love to do is hiking. We live on the prairies, but we have beautiful access to land where we can hike. On those hikes, we’ll see elk, deer, and all sorts of birds and animals. That really grounds me—it brings me peace and contentment.

Stephen Hoyland
Spending time with my family is also huge. My kids live in Edmonton and Calgary, so we visit them as much as possible. That brings a sense of connection and fulfillment. Talking a lot with my wife is important too—having someone who understands life and listens to you makes a big difference.

Stephen Hoyland
And one more thing, Sam—I’ve been trying meditation. I’ve been doing it for about two months now, and I’m a huge fan of it.

Sam Demma
Ah, that’s awesome, man. I’m so glad it’s going well.

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, it’s great.

Sam Demma
I’ve had good experiences myself, and when things feel more challenging, I notice I haven’t meditated in a while. Maybe there’s a correlation.

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, I totally get that. Meditation is very peaceful—it’s kind of like a reboot.

Sam Demma
Yeah, it helps you. One of my friends said meditation is not about calming your mind, it’s about losing your mind. Recognizing that some of your thoughts aren’t even yours, and you can let them pass by.

Stephen Hoyland
Yeah, absolutely.

Sam Demma
This whole conversation felt like a nice reset or reboot for me. I appreciate you taking the time to share your ideas, philosophies, and stories. I hope we have another chance to cross paths soon. And when we do, hopefully, there won’t be any bears or elk around—I don’t care much for those things. But keep up the great work, my friend. It’s a pleasure to chat.

Stephen Hoyland
Thanks so much, Sam, and thanks for making a difference in so many lives.

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